There’s a reason the Secret Service calls Brett Johnson the “original internet godfather.” This former hacker created the template for dark web marketplaces, escaped from prison twice, landed on the FBI Most Wanted list, and has lived to tell the tale.

Now, he’s a sought-after security consultant. But the journey from hacker to CNP keynote speaker wasn’t as simple as switching from a black hat to a white one. It’s been a long, arduous road, with unexpected stops along the way. In this episode of Trust & Safety in Numbers, we sat down with Brett to talk about what he’s learned from his adventures (and misadventures).

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Roxanna "Evan" Ramzipoor

Roxanna "Evan" Ramzipoor is a content marketing manager at Sift Science. Her debut novel The Ventriloquists will be released in 2019.